Future of this group, was Re: telephone number

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Marcin Wojtczuk - 24 Paź 2002, 18:32

voltAGE [ ÄvÏ™ ] claimed:

| That's what you wanted to hear, you troll ? Can't belive, that such
| newsgroup was invaded and destroyed by those nasty little creatures :/

invaded ?? destroyed?? not a chance dude! not while we are around.

Face it: that happened _long_ ago. More than 2 years ago. I first visited
this group then, and questions were that much lame as now. Lame questions
are not bad by themselves. They are bad because trolls ask them to create
informational noise and scare hackers out of this place.

anyway! it's good to see some old faces hanging around in here.

;-)

whatever happened to one grasshopa who had promised to design web
pages for a site named a2h.org? :|

I'd rather if we got rid of trolls instead of drifting happy with knowing
well each other, and having a website.

After we made some room here, maybe more hackers would visit this place. For
now a2h is boring and full of spam, stupid questions and people that
shouldn't have ever touched computer.

I have experience with that in Poland. We have alt.pl.comp.os.hacking, and
we try very hard to clean it from trolls. Hackers and wise people are a
_majority_ there, thus creating more nice, witty posts than trolls and
idiots are able to spoil by their stupidity.

But, as majority *here* topposts, doesn't know howto snip, does not use
proper english (though, whoami to judge that?), and tend to focus on
creating websites, and discussing whether Zonealarm is better than Kyrio, I
doubt that my wishes will ever come true :(

RusH - 24 Paź 2002, 18:54

Noone expects the Spanish Inquisition! Off to jail with you!

Marcin Wojtczuk - 25 Paź 2002, 01:14

RusH claimed:

| Followup-To: alt.2600.hackers
skad masz ta grupe ? na serverze telepsa jej nie ma :(
jest tylko hakerz :/

1) jest! (news.tpi.pl). Posty docierają bez opóźnień.
2) news.telbank.pl (nie wiem czy ogólnodostępny).

RusH - 25 Paź 2002, 02:58

Noone expects the Spanish Inquisition! Off to jail with you!

Maciej Muran - 25 Paź 2002, 04:20

2) news.telbank.pl (nie wiem czy ogólnodostępny).

Na pewnie nie jest dostepny ogólnie.
Nawet 'read' jest tylko dla łaczących się z telbankowych sieci.
A w ogóle to ma dosc spore problemy z synchronizacja, jest to dobrze
widoczne w przypadku hierarchii pl.*
Probowalem kiedys zainteresowac admina poprawa sytuacji, dorzuceniem do
feeda paru ciekawych hierarchii ale jako nie wykazał checi.

voltAGE [ ÄvÏ™ ] - 25 Paź 2002, 09:57

voltAGE [ ÄvÏ™ ] claimed:

| That's what you wanted to hear, you troll ? Can't belive, that such
| newsgroup was invaded and destroyed by those nasty little creatures :/

| invaded ?? destroyed?? not a chance dude! not while we are around.

<snip

well, these trolls just seek attention and when you don't give them
what they seek, they drift away and disappear. so i guess we just need
to *ignore* them.

| anyway! it's good to see some old faces hanging around in here.

;-)

| whatever happened to one grasshopa who had promised to design web
| pages for a site named a2h.org? :|

I'd rather if we got rid of trolls instead of drifting happy with knowing
well each other, and having a website.

<snip

yeah i agree with you, but the major problem with me (personally) is
that i don't find much time to access this NG. it's been almost a
month since the time i last accessed this group. when you are working
on projects 20 hours a day with some of the top-notch brains in the
industry, you don't get the time for this....seriously! trust me on
this!

After we made some room here, maybe more hackers would visit this place. For
now a2h is boring and full of spam, stupid questions and people that
shouldn't have ever touched computer.

<snip

well, i had previously suggested that we could have intellectual
debates initiated by any individual (reg or non-reg) and we can have
write-ups submitted to the NG which could be discussed and debated on.
Nothing would give me more pleasure than to dive into something really
technical. And the motive behind having a website, wasn't the fact
that we needed to show off our HTML skills or something (HTML does not
require skills at all, so that's very oxymoronish) it was merely to
host our FAQ, and later we could have uploaded our programs, sample
code...or whatever.

<snip

The fact of the matter is, there were some good guys in this group
when i first landed in here. but eventually they got busy with their
lives outside USENET or something and they stopped visiting this
group. But all the same i agree that we could do with some
intellectuals on this group.

the fact of the matter is, from what I have observed in the past, most
of the good guys get bored and just leave NGs such as this rather than
*doing* something about it and taking an initiative on their own. It's
a good thing that you have taken up this point now.
All the same, the bottomline is - An NG *is* what you create out of
it.

"The battle of evermore" - Led Zep

Marcin Wojtczuk - 25 Paź 2002, 13:08

Maciej Muran claimed:

| 2) news.telbank.pl (nie wiem czy ogólnodostępny).
A w ogóle to ma dosc spore problemy z synchronizacja, jest to dobrze
widoczne w przypadku hierarchii pl.*
Probowalem kiedys zainteresowac admina poprawa sytuacji, dorzuceniem do
feeda paru ciekawych hierarchii ale jako nie wykazał checi.

No ale co zrobić jeśli:
Trying 193.110.120.9.119...
Connected to news.tpi.pl.
Escape character is '^]'.
201 news.tpi.pl InterNetNews NNRP server INN 2.3.2 ready (no posting).
^]

A co sądzisz o news.ipartners.pl ? Tam mam możliwość wysyłania. Lepsza
synchronizacja ?

Marcin Wojtczuk - 25 Paź 2002, 19:54

voltAGE [ ÄvÏ™ ] claimed:

| are not bad by themselves. They are bad because trolls ask them to create
| informational noise and scare hackers out of this place.
well, these trolls just seek attention and when you don't give them
what they seek, they drift away and disappear. so i guess we just need
to *ignore* them.

They are not ordinary trolls. They are skilled and have one goal: destroy
a2h. Take a look at this document:
http://www.altairiv.demon.co.uk/troll/trollfaq.html
to see what I mean (this is _not_ usual troll faq).

Technique used here is similar to what I see in Poland. Ask stupid
questions. Ask offtopic questions. Ask _simple_ questions. We deal with it
either by:
1) advising to kill himself to troll
2) laugthing very loud in public forum off troll's lame post/question
3) Advising to read: http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
(depends on situation).

But we *react*. React as a group, and react very strongly to any atempt to
add informational noise.

| I'd rather if we got rid of trolls instead of drifting happy with knowing
| well each other, and having a website.
yeah i agree with you, but the major problem with me (personally) is
that i don't find much time to access this NG. it's been almost a

It'd be naive to think that one person or two or three could do anything
about what this group is. We need more people understanding the need to
return a2h to it's original form.

That's true. I'd be off such discussions because I'm not very good at
tehnical aspects of anything (I'm a mathematician) ;-) I'd love to read
those though.

And the motive behind having a website, wasn't the fact
that we needed to show off our HTML skills or something (HTML does not

What I mean is, that there are more importand issues that website. Importand
thing is to have rules of what is valid to post/ask. What's offtopic and
what's welcomed. This has to happen in our heads. We need to have common
idea, an institution. The website would be then just a byproduct of our
needs; byproduct of a2h institution in our heads.

This is a circle. We need more intelectuals, but they won't come because
there are not enough intelectuals. That's why I think this ng is destroyed.
We don't need a fix. We need to rebuild it.

I'll try to show you what I mean by fighting trolls and making this group
better in next few days. It will be controversial, but maybe you'll like it.
Maybe even others will join.
I'll try to ask my friends from Poland to help us :

All the same, the bottomline is - An NG *is* what you create out of
it.

Thats sooo true.

FUT Warning.